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Tracking the facist project in the US /w Christina Pagel
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Tracking the facist project in the US /w Christina Pagel

Science Counterpunch - S1 Ep8

Modern authoritarianism doesn’t arrive with tanks. It announces itself with spreadsheets, budget cuts, accreditation fights, and the quiet capture of institutions most people barely notice—until they’re gone.

This week on Science Counterpunch, we’re joined by Professor Christina Pagel, Professor of Operational Research at UCL and creator of the Trump Action Tracker, a data‑driven record of nearly 3,000 actions documenting the attacks on democratic and scientific institutions in the U.S.

Drawing on her public communication work with Independent SAGE, Christina now raises the alarm about US politics with hard-to-refute data; explains why universities, regulators, media, and science itself are always early targets, and how fear and anticipatory compliance do much of the authoritarian work for free.

We talk about:

  • her data collection project “Trump action tracker” and the administration’s method behind the madness

  • why modern authoritarianism is quiet, bureaucratic, and strategic

  • how controlling data and “official numbers” beats outright censorship

  • why institutions don’t protect themselves—and often can’t

  • how vulnerable UK institutions really are (even the ones you assume are safe)

  • and why paying attention, speaking up, and refusing to disengage still matters

This isn’t about doom-scrolling news. It’s about pattern recognition—and a warning from someone who knows how quickly “it can’t happen here” turns into “it already has.”


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